801b impossible to evo

Case number:671071-996200
Topic:Game: Other
Opened by:Bruno Kestemont
Status:Closed
Type:Suggestion
Opened on:Wednesday, October 30, 2013 - 00:46
Last modified:Wednesday, December 16, 2015 - 13:57

Shared @ 10123.68, it asks for 13332 pts to eve

(Wed, 10/30/2013 - 00:46  |  18 comments)


Joined: 09/24/2012
Groups: Go Science
Topic: General » Game: Other
Type: Suggestion » Bug

it' as bug

Joined: 09/19/2011
Groups: Beta Folders

yes, bertro's 10123 requires 13332 to evo.

Joined: 09/21/2011
Groups: Void Crushers

The cause of this is clear of course. The high required score is from the 801 variant loaded into 801b.

Joined: 09/24/2012
Groups: Go Science

indeed

bob1928's picture
User offline. Last seen 1 year 12 weeks ago. Offline
Joined: 12/16/2012
Groups: Gargleblasters

I have the same problem: evo of 801b requires 13171 my last credited score on 801. So how do the people with this problem fix it?

Joined: 09/21/2011
Groups: Void Crushers

Simply said: you cant.
Not until the devs make a change that when you load a puzzle from another puzzle only the value that is has in the new puzzle counts for later evoing.

Joined: 09/24/2012
Groups: Go Science

Bump. Our top soloist bertro is rank 1 and we cannot evolve his solution. We are evolving parallel solutions, but it does not help the team. It's a little bit frustrating. Puzzle closes within 3 days.

Joined: 09/21/2011
Groups: Void Crushers

It is the same with my highest. My teammates would have given your team a run for it. :-)

katfish's picture
User offline. Last seen 5 years 8 weeks ago. Offline
Joined: 01/09/2013

We're not going to be able to fix this one. Very sorry about that guys.

Joined: 09/24/2012
Groups: Go Science

What a pity.

But this is science also: never sure of the outcome.

We'll take it as a challenge for bertro to keep the position alone, and us to try to join him.

A double parallel race. ;)

btw. Oh Katfish: great but I preferred your former profile picture ... In our team, we like smiling ones.

katfish's picture
User offline. Last seen 5 years 8 weeks ago. Offline
Joined: 01/09/2013

I'm growing rather attached to the UW Space Needle shot but will consider going back to my toothy self. :D

jflat06's picture
User offline. Last seen 1 day 3 hours ago. Offline
Joined: 09/29/2010
Groups: Window Group

To clarify:

There are several options available, all of which are pretty bad.

1. We do what we have now. The score you have to beat is the score from the previous puzzle, and it has all the issues that you guys have been experiencing.

2. We use the new score of the solution in the new puzzle. The problem is that this isn't how evolver is supposed to work - the score to beat should be the highest score ever achieved by the solution. The side effect of ignoring this is that it makes it trivial to evolve any solution from the old puzzle.

3. We don't allow loading in the old solutions at all.

Joined: 09/24/2012
Groups: Go Science

Definitely not 3.
But what I don't understand is the following: Bertro reloads his old solution in the new puzzle, and gets a lower score. If I load this one, i don't understand why I shouldn't' be asked to beat this latest score + 2 points. Now, if I load his old solution from first puzzle, me too I would have a lower score. No?

jflat06's picture
User offline. Last seen 1 day 3 hours ago. Offline
Joined: 09/29/2010
Groups: Window Group

The problem is the following abuse case:

1. Take a high scoring solution in the old puzzle.
2. Make a small change, such as moving a single side-chain into a clashing position.
3. Load this new solution into the new puzzle and share.
4. A teammate loads in this solution and changes the sidechain back to get credit.

This is why evolver requires you to beat that solution's BEST score instead of the current score.

brow42's picture
User offline. Last seen 4 weeks 16 hours ago. Offline
Joined: 09/19/2011
Groups: None

*For Evolver Only* you could allow loading of *only* the credit-best autosave (i.e. disallow loading of any other solution with the evolver flag set), and rescore it in the new puzzle, discarding the old high score. The protein must be scored with all conditions met at least once before becoming eligible for further evolving.

This will allow teams to at least continue working on their best fold regardless of changes in the score system.

Joined: 09/24/2012
Groups: Go Science
Type: Bug » Suggestion

more a discussion/suggestion than a bug

Joined: 06/24/2008
Groups: Void Crushers

Nice to see and hear from Kate F

Joined: 09/24/2012
Groups: Go Science
Status: Open » Closed

Closing. The discussion is obsolete now I think

Sitemap

Developed by: UW Center for Game Science, UW Institute for Protein Design, Northeastern University, Vanderbilt University Meiler Lab, UC Davis
Supported by: DARPA, NSF, NIH, HHMI, Amazon, Microsoft, Adobe, RosettaCommons