flashing disk image location?

Case number:845833-994225
Topic:Game: Display
Opened by:xiando
Status:Open
Type:Bug
Opened on:Saturday, December 29, 2012 - 19:12
Last modified:Friday, March 15, 2013 - 19:09

Hi, there is a white, disc-shaped object that occasionally pops up when (presumably) the server snags data, or just as some form of effect.

Anyway, for me, it is discomforting, in that it produces a physiological affect similar to the things on computer games that forced mfg's to add warnings about epileptic shock.

So...I'd like to replace the object with a transparent image, but I do not know where you store the image in question or what it's file name is.

Can you please provide that information so I can avoid the effect it produces?

(Sat, 12/29/2012 - 19:12  |  25 comments)


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I'm not sure what you're referring to exactly, but there is an annoying white disc (with center hole) that flashes in the center of the screen. Generally, I only see it when voids are enabled, and maybe more often in ED puzzles. I usually play with voids off, because of the void-minimized window bug, and I usually don't see it. I thought it was an oddity in the void drawing algorithm and not an icon.

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That's the one, and no, it's no an anomaly. I gave rarely used void view, but it pops up all the time.

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assigning and changing priority...

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If you guys could get a screenshot (or if you take a video and grab a frame) that would be great. I've never seen this issue, so seeing exactly what's happening would help.

Could you explain what you do to get this to show up? Is it just when running scripts, when running a wiggle, or even when you're just idling?

Are you all running Windows?

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>>>>If you guys could get a screenshot (or if you take a video and grab a frame) that would be great. I've never seen this issue, so seeing exactly what's happening would help.

If you are responsible for maintaining the code, you should know what I'm talking about. It is a white disk with a hole in it, just as brow42 described.

>>>>Could you explain what you do to get this to show up? Is it just when running scripts, when running a wiggle, or even when you're just idling?

Playing is enough to generate them. They generally occur during wiggle.

>>>>Are you all running Windows?

I don't know what "all of us" are running, but I am.

I don't want you to change the code, I just want the filename in question so I can replace it with something less "hostile" on my local machine. And it IS hostile.

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@xiando:

Is that windows 7?

I run win7 pro and never seen that white disk (with hole or not). Please provide more information like "View Options" settings. Again a screen capture or small video would be great.

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It was noted before
http://fold.it/portal/node/987027
You make the same observation 2 years ago
http://fold.it/portal/node/988080
I have seen this for time to time, very few time recently. I run win7.

Xiando :
1 - you could have add new comments to your feedback or the first instead of open a new one.

2 - High priority is for situation in nobody can play foldit. You are the only one to complain now so it is not a major problem to play Foldit.

3 - If you don't take the time to describe the problem, it will just be more hard to solve it. Every one that has to maintain a code know that it is not easy to find a bug.

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I'd like the filename so I can resolve this. It's not a glitch, it's clearly an image file being displayed.

Marie, if you'd bothered to read my reply to tamirh, you'd see I described it.

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We're just asking for more clarification because it's not an issue on every computer (I've never seen it on any of the machines we build on, or my personal machine). So any extra info you can give would help in reproducing the problem so we can figure out what's wrong. There are no images that should be popping up in the middle of the screen during game play. There are no images that are just white discs.

Do any of these look like what you are seeing (perhaps without the color and only white/transparent?)


resources/images/32x32/image-loading.png


resources/images/32x32/applications-system.png


resources/images/32x32/system-search.png


resources/images/128x128/beaker-1-select.png


None of those should be coming up during game play, but they were the closest images I could find that look at all like what you are describing. You can look yourself by searching for *.png in your Foldit folder.

Have you tried to update you video card drivers? Does it happen on any other computers you have access to? Have you tried to do a clean install of Foldit?

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re-assigning and fixing priority

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Hi Tamirh.

Thank you for the reply. I'm afraid none of the images you show look like the one I keep seeing.

It's literally a white disk with a hole in it. I am attaching a representation I just created using paint.net, in black instead of white so it shows up when viewed against a white background (the edges of the 60x60 representation are transparent, and the interior circle is transparent.

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Also tamirh, I'd note that I play using a black background. If you play using a white background, you might never see it.

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I have seen this occasionally, in Win7, white disk against black background, though not since reading the feedback. xiando, when it flashes, is it in the place where your mouse is? Maybe it's signalling a wait state, say during a file write or database read. It's not a standard Win7 mouse pointer, but maybe the software has some custom resource images. It may be compiled as a resource in the .exe rather than existing as a file on the client.

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It's always dead center in the screen.

I haven't seen it since the last month of casp or maybe the first batch of post-casp puzzles. Win 7. I forget about it and then it just suddenly shows up and I go 'Oh, THAT again?'. I remember last time it happened that it wouldn't go away even after messing with the view options. It seems to be linked to puzzles, either puzzle configuration, or number of segments, or special features like ED or symmetry. I tried randomly loading puzzles, and also starting up 4 more foldits to put the computer under load, but I couldn't get it to show. So, I can't help narrow it down.

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Honestly, I'm not sure but yes, I do recall seeing it somewhere around the middle of the screen on at least some occasions, although I'm not sure and won't know till I play again.

I only began playing again ~1 week ago after a hiatus of roughly 7 months. It has appeared in all four puzzles I've opened.

It has never persisted. It flashes, which is exactly *why it produces a negative physiological response. It's purpose either seems to be to produce a visual flash (A visual WOW! like the bursts they use in some internet advertising these days to attract user attention) or is an image associated with some sort of dev data backloading because some interesting event occurred (not sure why I think that.,..perhaps Adrian or one of the other devs implied as much in the way way back, or I just guessed that as a cause due to the image geometry (looks like a CD, which in my experience might imply some form of file/data operation...not sure)

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This strange disk is appearing from time to time more than 3 years. I think there is no relationship with OS version. I saw this on W2K, XP and now on W7. Maybe brow42 is right - there is some linkage with particular puzzle.

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I found resource file called RINGBURST.PNG in resources|images|big directory that look very similar

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Thanks for the reply vakobo. I found it as well while opening each one by one - (a white image with transparency simply doesn't show up against a white background, as is the case in folder views) - as well as two other "burst" images that may be other occurrences of the behavior, but not sure since they don't seem to have the sharp cutoff I *think* the image in question has. I guess i'll try replacing them and see if that solves the issue.

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I have once again seen the disc and tracked it down. Sorry, I've never recorded video, so I uploaded about 20 unnecessary screen shots to your server.

It is not an icon, it is a drawing glitch. I saw it during DRW script while it was apparently testing different save slots.

The disc only appears when Show Exposed is checked (and you have exposed...the more the better). I found a similar glitch when show side chain bonds was enabled (and I had sidechain bonds). It also happens if voids are enabled.

It does not appear if neither voids nor exposeds are displayed.

To make the glitch appear, I wrote a short script to spam quickload from two slots with different configurations. The appearance and position of the glitch depends on camera position. It's clearly drawing an exposed sphere in the wrong spot, then quitting part way.

http://fold.it/portal/files/chatimg/irc_269484_1359705643.png

http://fold.it/portal/files/chatimg/irc_269484_1359705288.png

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Interesting, thanks for tracking it down. I'll try and figure out where the drawing code is doing that.

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I managed to catch it in the movie:
http://youtu.be/eodnYwcao9g

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Have seen it, too.
It got worse as I bought a faster graphics card (other RAM and builds up more frames per second).

I think it is a graphic glitch, when bonds are shown.
The white-blue stripes of the bonds are painted all over the screen, then "masked" to there,
where they have to be shown.

When I turn "show bonds (sheet/helix/loop)" of in view options,
The glitch doesn't appear anymore.

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Maybe in "view options",
a selectable frame rate (0-60 fps, or max) and
a check-box for suppressing page tearing could help.

Users which are sensitive for migraine or strokes could also benefit of these options.
In addition, these options could reduce CPU/GPU load (I don't know what the drawing code does use).

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In your options.txt you can modify "gui/desired_fps"

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The problem is that the GUI part of the game is full of race conditions. Configurations change while drawing. Screens changing during screenshots. I just had another 'hang-from-input-while-busy'. All I did was accidentally double click something (I think it was the move tool) on a slow symmetry puzzle. The client will never be reliable until it maintains nice, well-defined states.

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