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Hi, I've just started going through the beginning puzzles, and I'm working on Level 2-2, Close the Gap (Backbone Packing). I have what seems to be a valid solution, no collisions and no red dots showing empty space, and my score is 8728 of 8850. However, it is not letting me continue or go to the next puzzle. What am I missing? fyi, I'm using the Linux version.

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Hopefully this will help you:

http://foldit.wikia.com/wiki/Tutorial_Puzzles

That is indeed the first puzzle new players start having trouble with... good luck!

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that isn't helpful, I'm

that isn't helpful, I'm trying to find out what's the point? I solved everything I was told to solve, is there some hidden objective? Merely a higher score?

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Re: mwtalbert

1. The intro puzzles are really meant for teaching you the tools you need to play in the "real" science puzzles.

2. As for the issue of "merely" getting a higher score... the fact is that the score function was developed by digitally representing various chemical interactions and fitting the parameters to real-world data to figure out their relative weights. The result is that a higher score generally correlates with a higher probability that the structure is correct. To put it another way, you are actually contributing to scientific research by trying to get as high a score as possible (especially if the puzzle involves a protein whose structure is still unknown).

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close the gap

reset, move the helices paralell and shake.
dont overthink, proteins like to be compact

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Wow, it seems like no one is

Wow, it seems like no one is really getting me here. I *have* closed the gap, I have moved them parallel, I think the program even recognized the solution at one point, as it popped up a message, which I then clicked. I do not know now what the message said, but it did not allow me to progress afterwards (I do think the message was the same as I had gotten on successful completion of earlier scenarios). Why can't anyone answer what exactly the objective is? Is it to remove all conflicts and empty spaces? If so, I've done that. If it is something else (like a particular score), why can't you just tell me that?

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Go to wiki

and see videos.
Find my intros corner, I made video of passing almost all intros one by one.

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The introductory puzzles are only to show you how things

are done.
When you have done exactly what the puzzle is designed to show you, then you will get the required score to move along to the next puzzle.
The objective is to learn the tools of the game and do exactly what each puzzle requires you to do, so you can then unleash your new skills on the science puzzles and compete with other players.
So If you think you have closed the gap and you still cant "pass", then you have not followed the instructions correctly, or done things in the correct process to allow you to learn another too.
Some puzzles require you to attempt them more than once in order for you to "get it" as it is predetermined you do.

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I am sorry that none of us are really getting you here

but if you clicked on the link I gave you at the start you would have found this video under that exact Tutorial Puzzle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVJoyRfPbic

if you do exactly what is in that video, not only will you see all the text bubbles that you missed, but you'll see exactly what needs to be done to beat the level:

namely: bring the helices close enough so that the sidechains can happily interact.

If you want to learn more about what the general objective is in this game, please read the first 2 sections here:
http://fold.it/portal/info/faq
and if you need even more info:
http://fold.it/portal/node/985960

Lastly, if you are still stuck after all this... please post a screenshot in the Puzzle Chat and someone will help you!

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Not Getting It

Very interesting interchange between mwtalbert and various helpers.

I'd respectfully suggest that the problem is not that there are no bubbles or pointers or helpful videos, but that the many newbies come to the puzzles with no clue as to what a hydrogen bond might be, or why lipotrophics should be buried or . . . The puzzles are among the best examples of what is called "unaided discovery learning," in which the learner bumbles about until he or she accidentally solves the puzzle but may not know why. The method first came to popularity in the 1960s, was trashed repeatedly, and re-appears from time to time. It can work and be useful, but people need better preparation (aiding) and the tutorials need to be stronger and better arranged.

Be glad to help.

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You dont understand the nature of Foldit

Foldit is not here to "learn why" because it is not a pegagogic game to learn biology.

Many Foldit players dont want to have the scientific knowledge behind thr folding of proteins.
They want to play for fun but with hope to add a little stone to the scientific knowledge.

Some players along the long road to find their own strategy, read some documents on protein folding, but others prefer to write recipes or any other mean to become a good folder.

My opinion is that our activity is not scientific but defined a new form of collaboration between scientists and amateurs. This opinion is not share by all.

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You Don't Understand!?

Ahh Marie.

I do understand the nature of Foldit, and I also understand how people learn, and the nature of group play and of scientific endeavor.

And by the why, I meant lipophobic but typed liopotrophic, so I confess to a degree of sloppiness.

The question is not whether I understand Foldit or whether Foldit is "here" to learn why, or whether Foldit is a pedagogic game. The question is whether the current "help" is a sufficiently supportive environment to enable a beginner (mwtalbert) to both complete the puzzles and join the games.

We start with mwtalbert, unsure as to how to complete a puzzle. One reply suggests that mwtalbert has come across a puzzle which many have found difficult. Another that mwtalbert ought to watch a video which shows the correct solution, and so forth. If one follows all of these suggestions, one will likely (eventually) discover what ought to be done for this puzzle. It is also possible that mwtalbert will simply give up, and that Foldit will lose a potential player.

I'm simply suggesting that we step back and make a few changes that will improve the "Welcome to Foldit" process, so that mwtalbert and others will not be turned off and will add to the wonderful Foldit community, where they can, if they wish, find their own strategy, write recipes, solve complex protein foldings and live happily ever after.

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