Importance of wiki underrated

Case number:699969-990685
Topic:General
Opened by:Etul
Status:Open
Type:Suggestion
Opened on:Monday, October 3, 2011 - 13:39
Last modified:Saturday, October 22, 2011 - 08:43

Heya,

This is currently my fourth day playing- it's been a steep learning curve but I think I'm beginning to understand how things work. Anyhow, after finishing all the tutorial puzzles I spent quite some time confused as to how to increase my knowledge further... tried to look up info on random websites through google about protein folding, but didn't even realise how much useful info was on the wiki until someone pointed it out in the in-game chat! I know there's a link to the wiki on the content bar, but it's easily lost amongst the torrent of information that a new player is struggling with, and nothing really hints at the wealth of information contained within.

Perhaps it would be useful to direct players to the "next step" after finishing all the tutorial puzzles, eg. something like "if you want to learn more, check the wiki"? Or even something mentioning it in the FAQ/about section. This is just a small suggestion, but I think it could be very helpful for confused new players like myself.

Apologies for adding to your reading workload, and thanks for taking the time to read this. ;)

(Mon, 10/03/2011 - 13:39  |  10 comments)


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I agree with this suggestion. I'm sure there would be many people that don't know what a "Wiki" is. Perhaps it could be relabelled with "Guide" or "Tutorials"?

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It would be nice for new players not to have to rely on an experienced player to tell them the wiki exists.
There is currently a window that lets people know about any updates, this could also be used to let new players know about the wiki

I do not agree it should be renamed however.
The wiki isnt only about the inroductory puzzles, its about everything related to foldit and folding

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"Encyclopedia", "Library", "Manual"...

There should be some serious consideration about renaming the link. As I said before, there will be people that don't know what a "Wiki" is. They will be looking for additional help, and when they can't find it, they will go straight for the chat box in-game. We cannot consistently take influxes of people asking for help on there. Fixing up the guide (or whatever you want to call it), should be made a priority.

I myself, will be looking at fixing up the Wikipedia article on Foldit this one), so people have a better understanding of what this game is all about, its goals, interface, etc.

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That's not even the correct Wiki. Lol

You are aware are you not, that people do it voluntarily( the wiki and all its information)..they dont get paid for it.
So making demands of people who do these things out of their own generosity, is actually rather rude.

The global and puzzle levels chat are expressly for giving new players help, its what it was designed for.

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Both "Wiki" articles need to be fixed up. Initially, I was referring to this one, but will also be looking at this one. Apologies for any confusion caused.

Also, I do NOT make demands, only suggestions and recommendations. I am effectively a volunteer myself, by playing this game and making these suggestions and recommendations, am I not?

Yes, global chat can help players, but should NOT be the central source for help.

I'm offended and tired of hearing that I'm rude, unhelpful, arrogant, etc.
Again, just trying to help people... sheesh....

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The Fold.it Wiki is a bit more than an "article", at last check it was 336 pages of content. It's user maintained, so jump right in.

Even so, most people are NOT going to read that looking for help, they will ask on the chat since it's the easiest and they don't have to do any work other than just ask the question.

Without chat, people will ask on the forum or feedback tracker, and again, will just ask instead of searching to see if the question has been asked and answered before (usually ad nauseum).

I think there was a comment in another feedback today about the "new age gamers" who won't read manuals or FAQs, and just want to led by the hand through the learning process. It seems to be part of the "immediate gratification" and entitlement generation, they want "it" now and without having to work for "it", whatever "it" is.

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"Yes, global chat can help players, but should NOT be the central source for help."

Why do you think there is a chat for every single puzzle, and also a global chat?...why do you think people can upload a screenshot of a puzzle?...because the chat IS the central source of help.
There would be no need for the chat or uploading of screenshots, if it wasnt.

"I'm offended and tired of hearing that I'm rude, unhelpful, arrogant, etc.
Again, just trying to help people... sheesh...."

Then perhaps you would be better couching your "suggestions and recommendations" in a different manner, if you are getting told that, that often.

Regarding the "fixed up" as I said, people do it voluntarily..do you seriously think that no one knows it could be better?
No one has the time it takes to do it from scratch, although some improvements have been made in the last few days, with respect to the translation section.
Made a priority?...feel free if you have the time..most here dont, they do what they can, in what free time they have.

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"Why do you think there is a chat for every single puzzle, and also a global chat?...why do you think people can upload a screenshot of a puzzle?...because the chat IS the central source of help.
There would be no need for the chat or uploading of screenshots, if it wasnt."

Vixx, with feedback comes change. We are effectively talking about changing the way things work at the moment, because there are people like myself, who believe that changing things can make things work better. The old adage of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" no longer applies. Modern societies are always trying to improve how everything works.

Yes, the chat mechanism is used for helping people. Yes, it is useful in this manner. No, it does NOT need to be the central source of help, even if it is at the moment.

It is only common sense to fix up things that should be helping people, but aren't, or perhaps aren't helping as much as they could be.

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As someone who does contribute to the wiki in my not very spare time, I see no reason to change the name. A wiki is a wiki - if people do not know what it is then one click will tell them.

I am amazed and very impressed at the patience and kindness shown by many foldit players and appalled by the people who can't be bothered to read anything even after they have been advised that answers are in the wiki tutorial and 101 pages, plus the many other pages of information.

I do agree that it would be helpful to put a link to the wiki in the FAQ page http://fold.it/portal/info/faq

near the top above the technical section after the science link.

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I dont see any need to change much of the wiki, or its name.
Some better navigation perhaps.

I have found things the way they are to be very good.
As with all things there is room for fine tuning, but no need to reinvent the wheel.
I guess only bored people feel the need to change things purely for the sake of it.

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