Multiple Accounts - sweetname

Case number:699969-990506
Topic:General
Opened by:sweetname
Status:Closed
Type:Suggestion
Opened on:Saturday, September 24, 2011 - 13:45
Last modified:Monday, October 31, 2011 - 17:36

Hello!

I began playing this game just a few days ago. As I was not aware that one could run more than one foldit client under the same account I created three accounts (sweetname, sweetname2, and sweetname3) to achieve such, the reason being that I wished to leverage the power of multiple computers to perform multiple simulations.

Since then I have spoken at length about this with auntdeenisland and she has advised me to delete my two lowest scoring accounts (sweetname and sweetname3). Afterward our conversation I attempted to do so, however, it appears as if the account delete button on the website is malfunctioning.

So, I'm composing this to inform the developers and the larger foldit audience that I understand that I made a mistake, that I've been attempting to take action to reverse this, and that I am sorry for any inconveniences this may have caused or will cause.

I would ask that the developers please NOT award the sweetname or sweetname3 accounts any global points should the 459 (<150) puzzle close before I am able to delete them and instead assign those points to the next highest scorers out of fairness.

Since the chat with auntdeenisland I have only been using my sweetname2 account, just for everyone's information. If the developers wish to delete two of my accounts for me I would simply implore them to make sure they are deleting the two LOWEST scoring accounts (sweetname and sweetname3).

I apologize again for any problems I may have caused and wish everyone very happy folding!

sweetname2

(Sat, 09/24/2011 - 13:45  |  19 comments)


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Just want to verify that yes, sweetname has chatted with me, and has done what he could to eliminate the additional accounts.

He was unaware of Tracks - and as soon as I explained how to use them, he realized that there was no need for the additional accounts, and worked with me to attempt to delete them. There seems to be a bug that is preventing him from doing so (I don't even see the delete account button on my page).

I am very impressed with your willingness to work within the system, diligence in reporting this, and your understanding...

Welcome to foldit, sweetname - you are an excellent addition to the foldit community!

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Ok, just wanted to bring everyone up to speed. I have since been successful at deleting the original "sweetname" account and re-naming the "sweetname2" account to "sweetname". However, the "sweetname3" account still exists as I cannot seem to get the delete button working for this account yet.

So, if you are a game developer and wish to delete anything automatically for me, make sure that you now note that the only account remaining to be deleted is named "sweetname3". Do NOT delete the "sweetname" account as this is the account that I am keeping (having deleted the original "sweetname" and renamed the "sweetname2" to "sweetname"). Thanks!

sweetname

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Yess great stuff sweetname - Auntdeen I think it would be helpful to have some information in the wiki rather than having to repeat it in chat.
Suggest that in the same section it would be useful to tell people how to run multiple instances with and without tracks. As I generally just run one thing at a time I don't feel qualified to write it but will add to the wiki if someone else provides the info.

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Sweetname, you were not hurting anyone, in fact just the opposite. Your multiple accounts would require evo'ing your own scores, thus actually reducing the vast # of clones presently on the foldit game. And I highly recommend that you not trust TRACKS, they will bite you. One of the best ways to avoid the issues involving TRACKS and other pronounced situations as might occur is to run separate folders with each client, i.e. one client/one folder. That way the various updates issues as they might occur will be less likely to force you to re-install and risk the possibilities of re-installation errors. File management is the secret to this game. One client/one folder requires a bit more work then most want to put into the game, but the rewards are most definitely worth it. By the way, you don't have to re-install each and every new folder unless you don't understand how to use admin accounts. Admins should have no issue simply copying the original install folder to a separate HD location ( preferably not on the C:\ partition as that is the partition most likely to fail due to any number of possibilities and we all know that it is far easier to re-install new O/S then it is to regain our lost data/info from Foldit ) Once new folder is created and contents from original folder copied to it, a new start icon can be created from foldit.exe file inside fresh folder with the send-to command i.e. select and right click on fresh folder ' foldit.exe ' and use ' send-to ' to send to desktop as start-up icon. Then suggest renaming the new desktop icon to reflect folder from which it came. Avoids not know which folder you are dealing when running a client. Everything is pretty easy from there.
Nope, nothing wrong with multiple accounts especially when dealing with multiple computers. One needs to know which computer is producing his results. HIGHLY Recommended.

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To any new player -

Before assuming that the post above has any validity, please read this post by the devs: http://fold.it/portal/node/989662

"Tracks" are a recent development in Foldit to offset the difficulties that some players had with keeping multiple clients running. Some people either did not understand how to do it, or had a hard time doing it, so some set up multiple accounts to make it easier for them.

"Tracks are different sets of quicksaves and recent/credit/absolute bests. You always start in the "default" track. You can create new tracks and doing so will copy your current pose into the new track, and give you a fresh set of quicksaves and bests (you will still be able to access all of your manual saves between all tracks)." --from dev post http://fold.it/portal/node/989766

With the institution of Tracks, there is no longer any reason to have multiple accounts. All you need to do is to reset a puzzle and start a new track (go to Undo - then Tracks). There is no limit on the number of tracks that you have in a puzzle. It helps to name them in a manner that you can remember - establish your own convention for this. With tracks, it's very easy to run multiple computers with one account - again, by naming each track in your own manner.

As for various updates becoming a problem - that is rare outside of using the dev preview (beta instead of main). If you are running that, then your best bet is to be sure that you have a backup copy of foldit before allowing updates (what I do is to kill the update, duplicate my files, then allow the update - takes just a few minutes). That's just safe practice for any beta program, obviously. And if you are not running that version of foldit - well, you do back up all your files frequently anyway, as safe computer practice, right? Simply backing up your files in whichever foldit program you are using is much easier than the convoluted (according to the poster) system that the multiple accounts require.

At this moment, Hanto is right about just one thing - he is not hurting anyone, because he is a lower than average folder. However - if the top 10 to 30 folders all made 2 or 3 accounts, then there would be a glut at the top of the leaderboards that would completely discourage any newcomers - and a lot of not so newcomers. No one new would ever have the pleasure of gaining their Soloist Achievements. The best that anyone else could ever hope for is to maybe get into the top 100 occasionally, instead of the top 10. It would be greedy & unproductive to the game - and is completely unnecessary.

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Thank you Auntdeem for pointing out what my fellow group members already know so well, No I am not at the top very much. Because it is possible that I use my clones to support my group, instead of rushing to the top like some in other groups do. Might as well do what I can at the bottom as I don't have the speedy I7 processors that seem to be making such a killing these days in this game. But you know what I do have, I have 15 clones, 10 on one machine ID and 5 on other machine ID. And each and every one of those folder/clients/clones is devoted to one thing and one thing only. I'm sure you can guess what it is. And please don't ask me.

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" But you know what I do have, I have 15 clones, 10 on one machine ID and 5 on other machine ID."

That is utterly ridiculous in my opinion.

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It's true that the "Tracks" feature can be buggy at times-- but those bugs should be reported and fixed as opposed to avoiding a solution that clearly works and cluttering the scoreboard with multiple accounts.

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Just make manual saves form time to time - problem solved.

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Inviting TRACKS into a multiple client single folder is like inviting a thief into your home and praying he leaves everything alone. Not worth dealing with, i.e. not inherently fixable.

Multiple accounts invite variation which the heart and soul of evolution. The variation comes from the fact that each and every account has to evo the solutions from other accounts which increases the variation and thus the evolution of solutions exponentially.

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Again, for new players re: Tracks

If your purpose is to create the best possible solution to a puzzle, then Tracks will work very well - besides creating a Track from a reset, you can set a new Track at any stage of a solution, and explore possible paths from there. That allows a single folder to explore many variations of a solution at all stages.

If your purpose is to evolve your own solutions to get your name on the Evolver list, then multiple accounts are, I guess, necessary - but completely outside what the developers hope for in evolving. The purpose of evolving from the developers point of view is to take someone else's solution, provide a different perspective, and make that solution better.

Tracks are a fairly recent innovation in folding that has been enthusiastically embraced by most veteran folders. Tracks will help you to explore what you wish to with any puzzle. Multiple accounts are completely unnecessary, unless, like this poster, you either don't understand how to use them (in which case, please ask in global for help) or have some need to see your name on the Evolver list outside the purposes of Foldit.

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By the way Sweetname, you can bring your multiple accounts to GOSCIENCE anytime. OUR people harbor no issue with as many accounts as you wish to create within reason.

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@Hanto

From your comment above:

"But you know what I do have, I have 15 clones, 10 on one machine ID and 5 on other machine ID."

This is within your definition of reason?!?

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Maybe he have 32core cluster w 128GB ram and run 16 instances at same time and not want to lose any part of solution on crash...

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As I mentioned before, I suggest that it would be helpful to tell people how to run multiple instances with and without tracks. This is probably best done on the wiki. Hanto raises some good issues however it is quite difficult for non-technical people to follow.

By instances I do not refer to separate accounts. These personal attacks passing as wisdom are quite unnecessary.

"Tracks" are a recent development in Foldit to offset the difficulties that some players had with keeping multiple clients running. Some people either did not understand how to do it, or had a hard time doing it, so some set up multiple accounts to make it easier for them.

Some people had big difficulties following a logical discussion and chose to descend to personal attacks.

You will still be unable to find any globally shared information about how to 'keep multiple clients running'. Some people do not share information with new players, information is only shared within their group. Any edge this gives them is ascribed to better folding ability rather than as a result of witholding basic housekeeping information.

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Read: http://fold.it/portal/node/989405
Clones are evil. We should avoid them. It is killing scoreboard and prevent newcomers to score.

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i have used tracks but i prefer using multiple clients (windows). using multiple clients can cause problums on closing if you dont save your scores first. clones can cause big problums for other players trying to score at the top as multiple clones can hog all the top spots and in my opion should not be played competitively.

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