no hotkey for new best

Case number:954892-955497
Topic:Developer Preview
Opened by:Seth Cooper
Status:Closed
Type:Bug
Opened on:Thursday, February 5, 2009 - 22:22
Last modified:Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 02:02

from xiando:

See above title, includes set and restore point. ( and ctrl/cmd ).

(Thu, 02/05/2009 - 22:22  |  10 comments)


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Hotkeys added:
Ctrl-N: new best
Ctrl-V: restore very best

Ctrl-B and A remain for restore best.

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what these terms mean.



CTRL-B or A was restore best score, ie,  the global "best" score, ie, the very top score a person makes in a puzzle.



So which keys are associated with


a ) set new best start = ???

b ) restore new best = ???



The nomenclature used for this implementation is quite confusing

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Best keeps track of the best solution since setting a new best. Very best keeps track of the overall best solution, regardless of setting any new best. So:

a) set new best start = Ctrl-N
b) restore new best = Ctrl-B and A

If you never set a new best, Ctrl-B and A will behave as they did before.

Are there more descriptive names that would make things clearer?

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that ctrl-b and A should continue to point at the top solution, rather than e redefined...

and It seems more sensible to me to have New-best "Set" and "Restore", regardless of the hotkey(s) used.

Finally, it doesn't make sense to use several keys for the function (imo), rather use one, and use ctrl keys like the functional definition for the 3 temporary storage spaces...ie, SHIFT-CTRL-N and CTRL-N for new-best SET and RESTORE respectively.

this lends itself to a consistent approach, rather than one method for one state-save and another for another... intuitive rather than complex, just as toggling is done sensibly using the same key rather than doubling the keys (ex:shift V on/off for void view) or others...

using a toggle method probably would not be a correct approach for this feature, but using the established method for stores (ie, shift-ctrl-1/2/3 and ctrl-1/2/3) does make sense here

note that using a single key also reduces the number of unique keys required for a functional "group"


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Excellent points.  I'd like to keep Ctrl-B and A as restoring the new best.  They are the keys players are used to using and presumably if someone sets a new best, that is the best they will want to restore next; if they don't set a new best, the keys will behave as they did before.  How about:

Ctrl-B and A: "Restore New Best"
Ctrl-Shift-B: "Set New Best"
Ctrl-V: "Restore Very Best"

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I'm not sure you get my point. I appreciate the long overdue addition of this feature but I really don't understand the logic in what you're proposing.

I understand you want to REDEFINE ctrl-b/A to restore new best, rather than restore best score, although I am unclear as to where you got the advise on that count, as it is contrary to consistent operation of this application.

It does not make sense to me to continually redefine the game's basic functions and controls, ie, like the arbitrary redefinition of the hotkeys in November's major update for whomever or "whichever" group you're getting advise from in a non-public arena (as evidenced by a single public request for their redefinition followed almost immediately by their redefinition) although many in the public channels stated their opposition to such a fundamental change.

It's time for you guys to make the hotkeys player-definable, since it's getting more and more difficult to keep up with the changes made to **established** methods in order to satisfy particular backroom favorites.

I also agree with Jas0501 re: that the naming of "new best" isn't necessarily the 'best' name. My intent when I originally posted the idea was solely to make the function's purpose clearly separated from the user's high score, and I'm quite open to a PUBLIC DISCUSSION IN THE FEEDBACK TRACKER (rather than more of the backroom discussions and subsequent decisions that seem to go on with favored groups and group members) of what better name could be applied to the function itself. However, SET and RESTORE are the two terms that best describe the subfunctions it includes and I would urge you to update those names accordingly (glad we agree there Jas ;) ), but as to its 'nickname...eh...

Again, Definable hotkeys are needed desperately, as there are at least some of us who really don't want these things mandated by some subset of the community that is seeking only its own "best" interests, and it would benefit the entire community to implement. Sorry for the embedded suggestion, but I believe it has a good correlation to this thread. If not via a front end config menu, then thru a hotkeys.txt. As you know, the links would be easy to construct.

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I have changed the hotkeys to the ones you suggest. I've also given each button a different image, and used the names "Very Best" and "Recent Best".

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Thank you. I appreciate your patience on the matter

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I just downloaded most recent preview...nice job...this is much better and clear!

thank you

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Update was released; marking as resolved.

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