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Hello,
My son was playing offline in a Windows machine and he would like to now save his solutions and pull them up on another (mac or windows) machine. When I run the game and play offline in that machine I can see his solutions/progress. What is the process to save what he has done so he can pull it up at another machine in school?

I dont know foldit so apologize for the noob question.

Thank you!

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Share with self

While playing online in the game as your son, choose menu, open/share solutions. In the right hand list you will see his saved solutions. Click one to highlight it, then choose Upload For Myself. The solution will be copied into the left hand list (solutions saved on the server).

When he plays online on another machine, he can choose menu, Open/Share, and the solutions he shared with himself will be in the left hand list. He can click one to highlight it and choose download to just copy into the right hand list, or load to both download and open it. Or just double click it to download and open.

(If when you choose Open/Share there are no solutions in the right hand list, use Save Current Solution to put one there.)

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Hi Susume...thank you for the

Hi Susume...thank you for the reply!!...I looked into that and after he created the solutions while playing offline, I went in the same machine and created a uid/acct for me...I assumed I would see his saved solutions but I did not for some reason. I will go in again and look. I thought it was because he created the solutions before I created/registered a UID for it...I will look again and post if I have further questions. Thanks again!!!

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Solutions are associated with a user id...

When you play online, you're Foldit user id is associated with anything you save or share.

Players must join a group in order to see each other's solutions through the "share with group" option.

When you play offline, there's no sharing option, but you can still manually save solutions.

I'd expect you to be able to open these manual offline saves and work on them as an "evolver". You must be using the same computer, and the same instance of Foldit (in c:\Foldit or the equivalent) on the same puzzle for that to work.

If that's not working, try playing offline again, and make sure that you manually save a solution through control + s or control + o.

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hi LociOiling, thanks for the

hi LociOiling, thanks for the feedback. So to summarize, here is where I am at (and this is all on the same instance of foldit on a win machine).

1) I start fed puzzlesoldit and plauy offline.
2) I click on Campaingn and I see a chain of puzzles my son worked on. He went all the way to Electron Density. All previous ones are green/solved.
3) IF I click on Electron Density puzzle I can save solition (called it NicoElectronDensity)
4) If I click on Open/Share I see NicoElectronDensity in the local solutions but the download/upload/etc buttons on the middle of the dialog are greyed out..I guess because I am offline?
5) If I now login on the same machine with his uid/pw and I click on Campaign I see less solved puzzles
6) If I select open/share solutions I dont see NicoElectronDensity in the list even though I am on the same machine as in the steps above.

I am not clear on that is evolver mode since I am new to this. The question is, how do I save the solutions that were solved in offline mode so I can share then with him and he can open then when he is in online mode?
Is that possible? Can you give me a step by step how to do that?

Thanks!

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intro puzzles/campaign

Thanks, calderonr, that helps.

I see we're talking about the "campaign" or "intro" puzzles. These puzzles are different than the regular "science" or "beginner" puzzles. I was talking about the regular puzzles in my previous post.

I didn't even know that saving solutions worked in the intro puzzles, but I see now that it does. It's a little different than in the regular puzzles, however.

The quick answer is that doing the intro puzzles again while online may be the best solution. It may be a little painful, but most of the intro puzzles can be solved quickly. A few, like "Hydrophobic Disaster" and "Electron Density" take longer. (But, if you look closely, Hydro Disaster and ED actually start with the same protein in the same position....)

I'll give a longer answer in another post.

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quick comment on point 6

On point 6, you must be in the Electron Density intro puzzle to see the solution you shared offline for that puzzle.

Saved solutions are always specific to a puzzle.

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TL;DR version

This turned out to be an interesting issue, so here's the TL;DR version of what I'm finding out.

I followed calderonr on points 1 to 3.

On point 4, I see the same thing -- the upload/download buttons are greyed out for the intro puzzles, regardless of whether you are playing online. This is different than the regular puzzles, where the upload and download buttons are available online.

On point 5, it makes sense that the list of completed puzzles is different online versus offline.

When you're online, the Foldit server knows which intro puzzles you're completed. The Foldit server identifies you by your numeric user id. (You'll see you user number as the last part of the URL of your user page on the Foldit website.)

When you're offline, you're special user "00000000", and nothing gets stored on the Foldit server. The list of completed intro puzzles for User Zero is still stored on your computer however.

On point 6, I'm not getting the same results. I'm able to save the solution to an intro puzzle offline, then open the same named solution online. This is the same way that playing offline normally works. You do have to be in same puzzle to see a shared solution, and this applies to both regular puzzles and the intro puzzles.

The only difference I can think of is that my user id has completed all the intro puzzles, where calderonr's user id has not.

Even when I load a saved intro puzzle solution, it doesn't automatically complete the level. For example, Swing It Around requires 7700 points to complete. Offline, I saved a completed solution at 7736. When I open this solution online, it shows the same score, but the puzzle doesn't complete until I move a sidechain. (Simply pulling on the middle sidechain is enough, even though it doesn't actually move.) The puzzle completes after a move, even when the score is slightly lower than the saved score.

That's another reason why it may be easiest to just complete the intro puzzles again from scratch while online.

Opening an offline solution online is one form of evolver play. See Evolver on the wiki for how evolver play works. Usually, evolvers are online users who work on each other's shared solutions to the regular puzzles. Foldit also allows this special case, where an online user can work to evolve a solution shared by offline User Zero.

Evolving an intro puzzle is a really special case, one I haven't seen before. In theory, one Foldit instance could be shared by multiple players, a whole class, for example. The class could cheat on the intro puzzles once one student solved them. (Seems pointless, but....) Maybe the behavior calderonr is seeing in point 6 is intended to prevent that type of cheating.

That's the really too long version, but I'll keep looking at this as time permits.

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LociOiling, Thank you so much

LociOiling,
Thank you so much for taking the time to answer and research this...I read your comments but I need to go back and digest them by reading them again carefully.
On point #6 you stated "You do have to be in same puzzle to see a shared solution, and this applies to both regular puzzles and the intro puzzles."...I am not sure if I was in the same puzzle as you stated I must be to see the "shared" puzzle solution but I will look again.

I could see that my son was working on the intro puzzles again online because when I logged in as his ID I could see the progress on the number of intro puzzles solved was increasing...so he was doing what you suggested. I just wanted to save him some time but its still good for him to do them again ;-)

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What I was trying to say is

What I was trying to say is that you must open a puzzle first, then you'll see the saved or shared solutions for that puzzle.

That rule applies the intro puzzles like "Control Over Clashing", and also the numbered regular puzzles like "1894: Symmetric Trimer Design: H-bond Networks".

Even if you have saved solutions for each one of the intro puzzles, you won't see them together in one list. Instead, you'll have to open each intro puzzle to see its saved solutions.

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you stated "You do have to be in same puzzle to see a shared solution, and this applies to both regular puzzles and the intro puzzles."...I am not sure if I was in the same puzzle as you stated I must be to see the "shared" puzzle solution but I will look again.

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