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Hey veterans,

This is a request for help from anyone interested in the design of Foldit as a game.

As a game scientist, I am trying to understand how Foldit requires particular skills from you as a player, and trains you in those skills. Skills in this sense are discrete, atomic ideas that the player builds up to larger strategies. For background on this, please read Dan Cook's article on the chemistry of game design.

My mission for you, should you choose to accept it, is to design what Foldit's skill "tree" would look like. What are Foldit's atomic skills, and how do they combine to create the larger strategies that difficult puzzles demand of you?

Dan Cook gives an example of a skill tree here, this one about the basics of Tetris. I've also made a small example about the basics of Mario.

You can make your own skill tree using draw.io. When you've finished drawing your skill tree, please send it to me in a private message.

Your help in designing this skill tree will be hugely valuable to research on Foldit and citizen science games broadly. Thank you so much for taking the time to help with this project. I am excited to see what you create, and even more excited at the potential that these trees may be used in the future development of Foldit!

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Interesting mission, working on it.
Is there a due date?

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Thanks

Thanks for the response! This request is the first part of a bigger contest that we're hoping to run over the summer. I think it would be very helpful if we could get responses before March 22, but if you need to take more time that's okay too. I'd prefer thorough, well-considered skill trees to rushed submissions.
Thanks again, let me know if you have follow-up questions :)

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Difficult but

It seems quite difficult to make such a skill tree for a complex game, but I'll try a first "draft" one and if I find time, a more elaborated one. I PM you an image of the draft and a xml (I think) but I don't know which is the best way to send it to you. Don't hesitate to ask for more details, questions, or to guide me for a second draft.

May be the following paper could be of use for this experimentation:
http://hcjournal.org/ojs/index.php?journal=jhc&page=article&op=download&path%5B%5D=10.15346%2Fhc.v5i1.1&path%5B%5D=84

or it's extended version:
https://osf.io/preprints/socarxiv/yqw6g/

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Thanks

Thanks Bruno,

Yes, this paper was already part of the influence of this work ;)
Thanks for mentioning it again, it's good to keep in mind!

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For example, I'm trying to

For example, I'm trying to find universal mathematical chemical patterns
And I work only with numbers of multiple 7 or 11 atoms of the protein

Since in decimal notation numbers, all operations are

1\2 = 0.5
1\3 = 0,3333333333333333
1\4 = 0,25
1\5 = 0,2
1\6 = 0,16666666666666666666666666666667
1\7 = 0,14285714285714285714285714285714
1\8 = 0,125
1\9 = 0,11111111111111111111111111111111
1\10= 0.1

If all occurring chemical processes can be described in the framework of the decimal number system, then we add the ever increasing 1 to 9 and decreasing processes 9 to 1 together

0.123456789
 
0,987654321
We get = 1.1111111111

For example, in mathematics, the accuracy of the root can be infinitely accurate, trillions and billions of decimal places.

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for the formation of voids

The problem of protein calculations lies in the calculation of the exact formula for the formation of voids between protein atoms.

This message may be the cause of future Nobel Prizes, if you correctly understand what is written here

I do not have enough logical resources to solve this problem, but what is emptiness? If you think logically, then emptiness is a form for future objects, all press forms are initially empty, and then filled with material. So what does the initial emptiness look like?

Images may not be accurate. I do not have full logs from the super computer

The definition of the problem, the search and the formation of voids in 2D space is a trillion unsolved mathematical problems

Step 1 big voids

If you take a circle, and mathematical empty formations and turn into a physical object with an infinite mass. That will be infinitely varied forms.

Step 2

hexagons with infinite physical mass formed a new kind of emptiness.

Mathematical empty formations of the past step and turn into a physical object with an infinite mass. That will be infinitely varied forms.

Step 3

Mathematical empty formations of the past step and turn into a physical object with an infinite mass. That will be infinitely varied forms.

Step 4

the number of such steps is infinite

The images above are an attempt to find the largest voids. There are an infinite number of them, maybe a moment comes when all this will repeat from the circle.

There are also the smallest voids. A little later, I will make images, but I will give the basis.

Step 1 micro voids

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Step 1 micro voids

Step 1 micro voids

It is also a mathematical problem of fractals.

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