Allow people to change their votes on posts

Case number:845818-992701
Topic:Game: Social
Opened by:jeff101
Status:Open
Type:Suggestion
Opened on:Friday, May 18, 2012 - 01:15
Last modified:Friday, October 19, 2012 - 17:10

On most posts are small arrows that can let a person vote for or against a post, a bit like the "Like" button in Facebook. It would be nice if, like in Facebook, an up or down arrow remained to remind you how you voted on a particular post. Also, like in Facebook, it would be nice if you could later change your vote or even change an up or down vote back to its default state, abstain from voting. This would be helpful if you ever clicked the wrong button by mistake. Right now, the buttons become grey so that you can't undo your vote.

Also, in Facebook, many people have suggested having a "Dislike" button, but Facebook still has not provided one. Removing Foldit's "Dislike" button might make Foldit's climate more pleasant, encouraging more people to post things, and giving Foldit a more friendly, "community" feel. You could still judge the merit of ideas by how many "Like" votes they receive. Unpopular ideas just won't get as many votes as popular ones.

(Fri, 05/18/2012 - 01:15  |  13 comments)


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I like the ideas. Perhaps instead of having the like/dislikes set up as they are, there could be a bar, 1 side representing the likes, the other the dislikes, and then post the numbers above it.

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perhaps there is an assumption in foldit that players are aware of the difference between voting and liking

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Yes, sometimes mouse trips on the desk and the click goes toooooooo downvote!
oops! This should be up :/

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I like AsDawnBreaks' suggestion about showing separate totals for the up and down votes. Right now, something that has received no votes cannot be distinguished from a wedge issue (an issue that is very important to many people but is polarizing so that it divides people into different camps: manual folding vs. scripted folding, access to external information like pdb files vs. using only tools found inside the game, features that benefit experts vs. features that level the playing field, etc.).

Another thing Facebook does is to let you see who clicked "Like" for each post. If Foldit had a feature like that for the up and down votes, I think folks would be more polite in how they voted on things. Right now, if someone you have a grudge against posts something, you can vote it down anonymously out of spite. Also, if one person makes a disparaging remark about another person who you happen to have a grudge against, you can anonymously vote it up.

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Also, part of my idea was to still have a single bar. Red for downvotes going one way, green for upvotes going the other.

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Facebook is a good example. Why do they only have Like?

It generates a positive community. If you don't have anything nice to say, you either have to work up the nerve to type a response, or say nothing at all.

It resolves some programming dilemmas. When deciding whether to notify someone about updates to a post to which they have interacted, what would you do when someone dislikes a post? In some cases, they may want to follow the updates. In some cases, not. If you have reasonable arguments against something, you'll absolutely want to see the responses.

It cuts down on bandwidth, obviously. And considering how many millions of people use the site, bandwidth is definitely a priority. I've recently built a similar site (a social network, in fact, not too far different from FB) with both upvotes and downvotes in PHP and MySQL, so I can tell you. Before I'd optimized the database, it took upwards of fifteen seconds to load a page. And that's with only 3 or 4 regular users.

And finally; What's a downvote even mean? Does it mean you hate the entire idea? Just one part of the idea? The implementation of the idea? You don't like the speaker? You're having a bad day? Your cat stepped on the keyboard? It DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. It's MEANINGLESS.

Now sure, Youtube videos have both upvotes and downvotes. But at least they tell you for each video; 13,330 likes, 299 dislikes.

Youtube also has an example of the bar that AsDawnBreaks suggests.

Waiiit, Are you guys telling me that Youtube LLC could come to this site and get FOUR DOWN VOTES? ;)

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Just thought of this. I believe that the votes are meaning if the topic should be looked at, and if the Idea should be implemented. Perhaps there should be votes and likes/dislikes, both being able to change? Your mind could change, perhaps you didn't understand, or your cat did jump on the keyboard. :)

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I agree, I would like to change my mind or correct a mistake. But you'll notice, even google and youtube can't get this right, once you click, it's permanent. There's probably some technical reason about storing everybody's clicks that leads to this sort of behavior.

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'It generates a positive community' - ah yes 'everything is for the best in this the best of all possible worlds' or in the original French: "Tout est pour le mieux dans le meilleur des mondes".

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Dev's: Please don't turn FoldIt into the scientific version of Farmville/Facebook.

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My vote goes to abolishing the down-votes.

In my experience it is quite likely to click the wrong button by mistake, because (1) since the buttons appear next to each other, I expect the left button to mean down and the right button to mean up, like the buttons around sliders in the game itself, and (2) the icons look like diamonds with only a subtle distinction between up and down. You do get immediate feedback about your mistake (you see the count decreasing instead of increasing) but you can't then correct your vote.

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