Make loading a guide from a evo always be an evo .

Started by Timo van der Laan

Timo van der Laan Lv 1

There are real concerns that people are using evo's as a guide in solo.
This is in my humble opinion not something that should be working.
If people say this is not happening then there is no problem blocking this.
Solo solutions should really be solo.

An easy fix to this problem would be, to make a solo immediately go evo if you load a guide from an evo.
This is how I think it should work.

People in groups would still be able to compare their solution to an evo, and work on their saved solo after inspecting the differences but no longer be able to use bands to the guide of the evo.

Mike Cassidy Lv 1

This has gone on too long; has been complained about for too long. It should be corrected. A solution is not a solo if a guide is used.

frood66 Lv 1

I think such a move would be good. Personally I doubt it is nearly as big a deal as some fear….but something has to be done just to put the matter to bed. This is obvious…please ensure that this only applies to shares.

Susume Lv 1

I agree with this. If another person's save is loaded as a guide, throw the resulting track into evo. Please continue to allow us to load our own solutions as guide, as this is useful for seeing what has changed or what is different between two tracks. The devs may not see this as a priority for the science, but arguments over whether someone has done this keep cropping up and are harmful to the community. This would help to assure people that there is a level playing field for solos, which is important to keep the competitive game fun.

BitSpawn Lv 1

I think this is a waste of time, it is very easy to make -exact- copies of other puzzles, no need to load it as guide. The accusations will exist whenever there are people more concerned about what others are doing than learn to do it better. At the end groups will be asked to disappear :(

spmm Lv 1

There is an assumption of some kind of fairness in the game and application of personal ethics, well, most of the time, we are all human :)

If I see someone who month after month:

  • CONSISTENTLY does not make a reasonably high solo in the early part part of the game, if fact sometimes doesn't even start a solo until their team's solutions have been shared,
  • then CONSISTENTLY gets a high evolver score, suggesting that they have spent some time working the evo - i.e. their team's top solos.
  • then in the last day(s) of the puzzle their solo score CONSISTENTLY sprints up in the top 10-15 position.

What is a reasonable assumption?

This only works for them when the group the person is in has enough good players to always have a top soloist.

Being concerned about 'what other people are doing' doesn't mean that those individuals are not trying to learn and improve what they are doing.

It does mean they are concerned enough about solution diversity, fairness and all the other players in the game, (especially new players who cotton on and then give up too early because they don't want any part of it) to put up with the name calling and the endless bullying to try to do something about it.

As far as groups go - the groups are totally unbalanced in size and winning because you are in a bigger group doesn't mean much, but that is another conversation.

Angus Lv 1

I'm naive enough even though I've been here since the beginning to wonder how anyone can make an "-exact- copy" (your words) without loading the source solution either as a guide, or as load it as an an evo and then using script to record enough information about the solution to be able to reproduce it as a new solo.

I think the latter option is forbidden, and eliminating the ability to use a solution as a guide will remove the other temptation.

If someone can simply look at a picture of a solution and copy it -exactly- without any chicanery or assistance, then they deserve their score, and there is nothing that can be done to about it.