801b impossible to evo
| Case number: | 671071-996200 |
| Topic: | Game: Other |
| Opened by: | Bruno Kestemont |
| Status: | Closed |
| Type: | Suggestion |
| Opened on: | Wednesday, October 30, 2013 - 00:46 |
| Last modified: | Wednesday, December 16, 2015 - 13:57 |
Shared @ 10123.68, it asks for 13332 pts to eve
yes, bertro's 10123 requires 13332 to evo.
The cause of this is clear of course. The high required score is from the 801 variant loaded into 801b.
indeed
I have the same problem: evo of 801b requires 13171 my last credited score on 801. So how do the people with this problem fix it?
Simply said: you cant.
Not until the devs make a change that when you load a puzzle from another puzzle only the value that is has in the new puzzle counts for later evoing.
Bump. Our top soloist bertro is rank 1 and we cannot evolve his solution. We are evolving parallel solutions, but it does not help the team. It's a little bit frustrating. Puzzle closes within 3 days.
It is the same with my highest. My teammates would have given your team a run for it. :-)
We're not going to be able to fix this one. Very sorry about that guys.
What a pity.
But this is science also: never sure of the outcome.
We'll take it as a challenge for bertro to keep the position alone, and us to try to join him.
A double parallel race. ;)
btw. Oh Katfish: great but I preferred your former profile picture ... In our team, we like smiling ones.
I'm growing rather attached to the UW Space Needle shot but will consider going back to my toothy self. :D
To clarify:
There are several options available, all of which are pretty bad.
1. We do what we have now. The score you have to beat is the score from the previous puzzle, and it has all the issues that you guys have been experiencing.
2. We use the new score of the solution in the new puzzle. The problem is that this isn't how evolver is supposed to work - the score to beat should be the highest score ever achieved by the solution. The side effect of ignoring this is that it makes it trivial to evolve any solution from the old puzzle.
3. We don't allow loading in the old solutions at all.
Definitely not 3.
But what I don't understand is the following: Bertro reloads his old solution in the new puzzle, and gets a lower score. If I load this one, i don't understand why I shouldn't' be asked to beat this latest score + 2 points. Now, if I load his old solution from first puzzle, me too I would have a lower score. No?
The problem is the following abuse case:
1. Take a high scoring solution in the old puzzle.
2. Make a small change, such as moving a single side-chain into a clashing position.
3. Load this new solution into the new puzzle and share.
4. A teammate loads in this solution and changes the sidechain back to get credit.
This is why evolver requires you to beat that solution's BEST score instead of the current score.
*For Evolver Only* you could allow loading of *only* the credit-best autosave (i.e. disallow loading of any other solution with the evolver flag set), and rescore it in the new puzzle, discarding the old high score. The protein must be scored with all conditions met at least once before becoming eligible for further evolving.
This will allow teams to at least continue working on their best fold regardless of changes in the score system.
| Type: Bug » Suggestion |
more a discussion/suggestion than a bug
Nice to see and hear from Kate F
| Status: Open » Closed |
Closing. The discussion is obsolete now I think
it' as bug