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Hello,
Please don't disregard this idea lightly.
Copper, and Copper based nano particles (specifically Copper Iodide (CuI)) have shown significant post exposure viral inactivating properties (both intra and extracellular). Administering CuI nano particles through a vape or inhaler format, would minimize absorption in the body while maximizing exposure to the viral particles (in both the upper and lower respiratory tract). All though heavy metals and their bonds are considered toxic when exposed to the body, people have been breathing these things in for years with less health risks that dying from corona virus. The point being this could be a drastic but successful measure for severe patients.

The nano particles would have to be manufactured so that the body could get rid of the excess amounts. Unlike colloidal silver, the nano particles would have to be extremely small and consistently sized so they could pass through the body. Also it would be greatly beneficial if the solution in which the particles were suspended (before they were breathed in) could contain an anti-inflammatory and other immune supporting ingredients.

Please let me know if this is crazy talk, but please share if there is a chance this could be tested.

Thank You.

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Another Idea

I was thinking if it could be possible to create a molecule using computer resources from the government or universities to replicate the virus membrane receptor ACE2 that the virus uses to attach on the human cell (if I am not mistaken) that way we could block a percentage of those viruses from attaching to the cell.

Also since we are creating the molecule, we could through modification make it several times more specific so it will attach more efficiently with Glycoprotein S, better than the real receptor on the human cell and compete with the membrane receptor on the human cell for the attachment to the viral Glycoprotein S molecule, that way lowering the percentage of viruses attaching to the cells.

Or another approach will be to use the genome code to identify which DNA genes code for the ACE2 receptor on the human cell membrane so we can create an artificial receptor through Recombinant DNA technology, that will compete with the membrane receptor on the human cell for the attachment of the virus molecule and that way lower the amount of viruses attaching to cells. We can also slightly modify it so it will be more specific than the real receptor on the cell membrane and that way attaching more efficiently than the real receptor.

I was also thinking the other way around to create a molecule to attach to the membrane receptor, but I think that could cause more side effects or affect cell function.

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Great ideas! Please see the blog

These are great ideas! In fact, this is what foldit has been working on the past few weeks. We have been given a copy of the virus binding site in several puzzles, along with a copy of the human protein it binds to, so we could design a similar protein that is even more sticky and will block the virus from sticking to us! Please click the Blog link at the top of this page to read more about how scientists are already testing our designed proteins!

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Antibody based treatment

As an alternatives to Vaccine & Drug, it would be great if there is an another option from immunoglobulin (Ig) glycoprotein to cure Covid-19.
Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibody

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I think that your idea is a bit crazy.

You mention that "people have been breathing these things in for years with less health risks that dying from corona virus.". This means that there are also health risks to breathing in Copper Iodide nano-particles.

A cure for the SARS-CoV-2 disease is likely to have no health risks for people who do have weak immune systems, such as newborns, very old people, people who have underlying health conditions, or pregnant people.

Also, there is the chance that Copper Iodide might also eradicate probiotic(good) bacteria and Vitamin K-producing bacteria or even human cells or platelets, and might even clog up the capillary blood vessels. So these inactivating properties may also apply to good cells as well, and that is bad for our human health.

Also, when this is absorbed into the cell, it can alter the DNA and make mutations that can cause cancer and other reproductive harm!

Heavy metals and their bonds are all generally considered toxic to the body and that is fact for a reason. Even though Copper Iodide may cure the Corona-virus, who knows what the long term consequences of this are, maybe chromosomal diseases, color blindness, conjoined twins, severely weak immune systems, who knows?

Also, there is already copper in the body. Having more Copper upsets that balance and causes a chain reaction that may lead to severe health problems or even death.

The problem with copper in the lungs is that it is copper in the lungs. This could cause lung cancer and other problems, which makes the lung problem even worse, when we already have COVID-19 infecting our lungs already.

So, I do not think this is likely to be a successful measure for severe patients. Plus, severe patients have weak immune systems of course! Copper and COVID in the lungs is too much, especially for the oxygen that they need. This would decrease the oxygen supply and might kill them.

Manufactured nano-particles are also likely to include other byproduct chemicals in them. These byproduct chemicals are likely to cause harm, including cancer.

Also another problem is that there are ions in the blood stream, including carbonate and bicarbonate ions, which are negatively charged. The added Copper Iodide nano-particles would dissolve into a positively charged Copper ion and a negatively charged Iodide ion. The new Copper ion would bond with the other ions in the blood plasma, which would temporarily form Copper carbonate and Copper bicarbonate. Are these chemicals were what you intended to be in the blood stream? I do not think so. So, this Copper Iodide poses an probable indirect risk to our human health.

My suggestion is that people should consume natural foods that contain a considerable amount of copper such as cocoa beans, winged beans, cashews, squids, and sunflower seeds instead.

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Your response is very unsupported.

Obviously there are a lot of risks involved with this potential treatment. When it comes to a matter of life and death, the better option is always chosen even if is not the perfect and/or scripted outcome. People would choose 10 years of life over 2 weeks any day.

The point is that anything can go wrong if it's not done right. Your comment is like saying "we shouldn't build stairs, because if there were no treads people would fall through, if there was no railing people could fall off, if we climbed to high we would run out of oxygen." Obviously we are going to build stairs in full awareness of these risks; knowing the risks and avoiding them by adding a railing, making sure they are safe, and only building the needed amount will ensure the stairs are effective and worth it.

I completely understand there are many risks, both known and unknown with administering higher than normal amounts of heavy metals into the body, but the risks are not the deterrent, the slight chance of possibility is the reason.

Until there is a for sure no, I ask that you would share this theory so it could be tested properly until a true and supported decision is made. Cure or no cure.

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Not crazy talk

Jadon,

You have a great idea and it's not crazy talk. Ancient societies used copper in their medical procedures.
Every idea and theory should be thoroughly reviewed. I myself was researching, if copper particles could be incorporated into PPE fabric and respirator masks. To fill that 0.1-0.3 micron void and to reduce the risk of exposure.

May I suggest you submit your idea to BARDA for review.

Good luck!

Hitoshi

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